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Wednesday, January 11, 2006
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hmm, well, I hope I am doing this right. I have blogged before, but I am looking at this blog, and it is almost a year old...well, I will post something here, and see what else I can find.
Mr.Mazur, I know you were playing your violin for me, but I did end up finding a computer, just because i take your class seriously, and wanted to do what was asked of me.
So the question of the day is: Do you think it's fair that there are civilian casualties in war?
and my answer is that I am torn between two answers. I think it is far on the circumstance where the civilians are NOT innocent, and are part of the problem in war. They are no longer innocent because they are bystander, and are part of the problem because they know about it.
But I think that INNOCENT civilians that have nothing to do with war should no be killed because they are not part of the poroblem, and are just at the wrong place at the wrong time, and should not be punished for something that they had no control over.
In the movie "The Patriot" I felt that the civilians that were getting killed in the war were innocent, and did not deserve to get killed, but ther have been circumstances where the civilians are not so innocent.
-Kristin
Mazur,
So the question was: Is it right and moral to have civilian casualties? My answer is No. Not in the moral sense. The war in the middle east however, has nothing to do with morals. Warfare is taking place on the streets. There is no honour left in war. When situations rise up like that in the middle east, innocent lives will die. This is not what the Americans want, but this is what the people from the middle east have made it.
Based on self-opinion, I believe that it is morally wrong and unjust that there are civilian casualties. Civilian casualties “shouldn’t,” operative word shouldn’t be necessary, but it still happens. It’s totally and completely based on weather you are anti-war or pro-war. Personally, if there is such a thing, I am in between. Between the two I have many argumentative explanations of pros and cons. For example, I don’t believe in armed rebellion, but if it is provoked and other alternatives have been taken into consideration and action, then it is only just to fight back. We live in a very “greedy” society. Everyday, for many, we have to fight for are lives. For example, the US is consistently attacked, but put yourself in their position, would you rather have our soldiers go into Iraq to fight or would you rather have Iraq attacking us, our families and loved ones? Look at what happened to “9/11,” do you think those terrorists cared about those thousand and thousand civilian casualties?
I'm not sure how to use a blog too well but this seems sort of easy..
well I hope I'm doing this right,
I take your classes seriously too Mr.Mazur Well I take alot of classes seriously.
The question of the day is this right I'm not exactly sure but here goes: Do you think its fair if there are civilian(innocent people) casualties in war?
Well I'm just going to type down what I think about this question and this is what my answer is..
Well it's very difficult to answer but, to be put into words the Civilians are NOT innocent and are part of the problem of the war.
They aren't innocent anymore because they are bystanders who are apart of the war and know about it.
There are people who are TRULY innocent Civilians who have nothing to do with the war, that I think should not be killed because well they aren't a part of the war and they are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. They should not be punished for what they did not have control over. I think that people can be such buffoons being so discriminative at times although, the discrimination and racism decreased over the years back then it was unfair for people to treat people like garbage, scum or monsters.
In the movie "The Patriot" I felt as though there were innocent people who got killed and suffered in the war did not deserved the death or suffering. Though in the movie, there were circumstances where the civilians were not as innocent. Such as the Priest of the church.
ah.. woops and I forgot to say I think that it is moral because they kill people who aren't even a part of the war and are truely innocent.
I tried making an account but apparently my name is too good to be available.
Anyways, Is it right and moral to have civilian casualties? Well, of course NOT. These people are innocent, and have nothing to do with the war. It is not their fault that governments are disaggreeing and such. But then again, sometimes people who seem innocent may not be innocent after all, since looks can be deceiving. If the country is at war, and you try hard and hape hope and things, and you REALLY are innocent, there is such as thing as turning into a refugee, and come to Canada for example. You may try to contact people from here, or once you're here bring other poeple who are in the same stuation as you. Otherwise, some of these people might be deserving something. In the movie we watched, there were many people being killed innocently by both sides, and THAT is what I think is not right.
Well, that is my opinion, sorry if I did not post my thought the way I wanted them to sound.
Is it right and moral to have civilian casualties?
Yes I do think that civilian causalties is moral only if it is needed. Because if things like Mr. Mazur said like the people hiding missles in there homes to cause terror then I think that they should be able to barge into homes and shoot a couple people only if they of course have a weapon of mass destruction in there or if they point a gun at you.
But in cases like a war the civilians are innocent and out of the way and not blowing them selves up to kill other then you can leave them alone . Thats my opinion
Is it right and moral to have civilian casualties?
Yes I do think that civilian causalties is moral only if it is needed. Because if things like Mr. Mazur said like the people hiding missles in there homes to cause terror then I think that they should be able to barge into homes and shoot a couple people only if they of course have a weapon of mass destruction in there or if they point a gun at you.
But in cases like a war the civilians are innocent and out of the way and not blowing them selves up to kill other then you can leave them alone . Thats my opinion
Wow!
You guys really have some great arguments and make some great points about, "innocent" bystanders.
(Looks like you all found the blog) It is, a difficult question to answer. However, I am most impressed with the thought you have given the question, and in your answers.
Here we are,safe in Canada. Could you imagine a young man or lady, about 3 or 5? years older than you, having to make such a decision, if they were a soldier in Iraq.
Could you imagine the agony of making a decision when being confronted with say a "mom" with a baby in one arm and a rifle in the other (That was in a scene from the movie "Blackhawk Down"-about the US rescue mission of United Nations food distributors in Somalia, in 1993?)
Clearly she is intent on protecting her baby, but when you yell "put down the gun, don't do it,..don't do it, put it down, put it down," and she continues to raise it to a "shooting at you" position.....
What do you do?
What a rediculous question to have to try and answer.
However, in that scene(which was a true story), that was the decision the soldier had to make.
One of you said, "there is no honour in war", anymore. That sure appears to be true. Maybe the terrorists started that, but have the Americans been forced to fight that way also?
If so, isn't that what they are "fighting against"... the need for fairness to all!!freedom....liberty....
Wow! The question sure becomes clouded and not easy to answer.
Would the Mom be labeled "colatteral damage," or "a casualty of war?" or "Just being in the right place at the wrong time???"
What would you do? Let her shoot you? or would you shoot her in self-defence....or is there a third option?
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Hey and great thoughts. This is a very sophisticated discussion. These blogs are cool!
What would the old Maze do, in that above mentioned situation? or what would you do? Let it roll, my bonus mark earners!!!
romina says...
i would say it is all dependant again...well let's say she had no means of protection when there's a war occuring, what is she supposed to do, she has a child to protect. instincts obviously would tell her to protect herself, even if it means she has to kill other's to protect her baby and herself. i believe that she is a "casualty of war." she wouldn't have a choice, she is forced to protect herself. who's to say you're the enemy or not? Like really do we have to label it across our face? yes, she has a baby! she must be a threat, like really now. i don't know if i'm getting this question right, but yeah...anyway. would i shoot her or not? honestly, mentally, i could not do it, but i know i might be a hypocrite, but i'm just trying to put myself in this position. prefereably i would try to reason with her, obviously not frighten her.if she continued, i'd probably instinctively shoot her. i wouldn't have time to think. hey it's constantly a fight for your life , "whether" not weather hahaah anyway whether it is surviving everyday trying to avoid the getting hit by a car while you're walking down the street or a war. okay bad analogy, but yeah. i would really want to negotiate with her just because it's not in me to "kill," but i guess i wouldn't have a choice. please don't judge =( yeah. would mr. mazur shoot? yes i think he would, i think anyone would in this situation, maybe she is guilty and trying to use the baby as protection, it all depends on her position. like really would you let some woman shoot you mr. mazur?!?!?! i think not! well that's it. okay i'm done. i know i didn't get this quite right, but hey i tried.
Well I think that the Americans still fight with honour even though the terrorist had start the trend of fighting "dirty" and "unhonourable". The Americans just did what was right through their sheer logic that's what I think.
I think it's true that since the Americans are "fighting against" the fairness for freedom and liberty to everybody, they should be fighting Honourably instead of fighting inshame.
The mother would be labeled as a casualty of war I think because she has no protection since there is/was a war going on and on human instincts what would you think of first Mr.Mazur? If there was a war going on and there are soldiers who either speak your language or a foreign language and they have weaponry and you had a gun in your hand to protect you and your child?
Personally I'd protect my child and myself just because of the fact that there might be a chance of them killing you and your child if you put your gun down or surrendered. So I guess you can consider what I just said as Self-defence.
I just finished writing an awesome blog, and for some messed up reason it didn't post...or at least I can't find it.
So the question is, would I shoot a woman who is about to shoot me? The woman has some issues to work out first of all. She is taking the risk of being shot with her child in her arms, which no parent should take, not unless their child was in danger of being killed. Secondly, if she shoots, she is no longer an innocent bystander and is part of the war.
On the part of the soldier. That is a hard decision. Would you be able to live with yourself after murdering a mother? That is something that could only be decided if you were actually in that situation, and if so there may be a comprimise that cannot be seen on the sidelines.
In terms of war with no honour. I believe that you need both sides to agree with this philosophy in order for it to work. in Iraq, they have fought dirty, making it almost impossible for the Americans to do otherwise.
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you should make this blog only for the classes you want on it or random people will come on and say someething stupid on this blog like this message.
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